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		<title>By: gasdocpol</title>
		<link>http://thesophist.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/three-not-two-possible-outcomes-for-democrats/#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>gasdocpol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush/Cheney implicitely and explicitly used 9/11 as a pretext to invade Iraq, claiming that the USA was in imminent danger.

Hitler used Gleiwitz as a pretext for invading Poland in 1939, telling germans that Germany was in imminent danger

On the night of August 31, 1939 a small group of German operatives, dressed in Polish uniforms and led by Naujocks seized the Gleiwitz station and broadcast a short anti-German message in Polish (sources vary on the content on the message). The Germans&#039; goal was to make the attack and the broadcast look like the work of anti-German Polish saboteurs..

In order to make the attack scene more convincing, the Germans brought in Franciszek Honiok, a German Silesian known for sympathizing with the Poles, who had been arrested the previous day by the Gestapo. Honiok was dressed to look like a saboteur; then killed by lethal injection, given gunshot wounds, and left dead at the scene, so that he appeared to have been killed while attacking the station. His corpse was subsequently presented as proof of the attack to the police and press.

Hitler wanted to make Germany the world&#039;s dominant power as per Mein Kampf.

Bush/Cheney wanted to make the USA the world power as per PNAC.

How are the 2 cases basically any different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush/Cheney implicitely and explicitly used 9/11 as a pretext to invade Iraq, claiming that the USA was in imminent danger.</p>
<p>Hitler used Gleiwitz as a pretext for invading Poland in 1939, telling germans that Germany was in imminent danger</p>
<p>On the night of August 31, 1939 a small group of German operatives, dressed in Polish uniforms and led by Naujocks seized the Gleiwitz station and broadcast a short anti-German message in Polish (sources vary on the content on the message). The Germans&#8217; goal was to make the attack and the broadcast look like the work of anti-German Polish saboteurs..</p>
<p>In order to make the attack scene more convincing, the Germans brought in Franciszek Honiok, a German Silesian known for sympathizing with the Poles, who had been arrested the previous day by the Gestapo. Honiok was dressed to look like a saboteur; then killed by lethal injection, given gunshot wounds, and left dead at the scene, so that he appeared to have been killed while attacking the station. His corpse was subsequently presented as proof of the attack to the police and press.</p>
<p>Hitler wanted to make Germany the world&#8217;s dominant power as per Mein Kampf.</p>
<p>Bush/Cheney wanted to make the USA the world power as per PNAC.</p>
<p>How are the 2 cases basically any different?</p>
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		<title>By: gasdocpol</title>
		<link>http://thesophist.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/three-not-two-possible-outcomes-for-democrats/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>gasdocpol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were projecting outcomes. I was observing that the present state of Iraq is not the outcome that was projected by Bush/Cheney  as they lied us into the Iraq fiasco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were projecting outcomes. I was observing that the present state of Iraq is not the outcome that was projected by Bush/Cheney  as they lied us into the Iraq fiasco.</p>
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		<title>By: TheSophist</title>
		<link>http://thesophist.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/three-not-two-possible-outcomes-for-democrats/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>TheSophist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do all leftists think throwing in words &quot;Bush&quot; &quot;Cheney&quot; and &quot;Hitler&quot; somehow constitute an argument of some sort?

Let&#039;s use simple words and concepts.  Either

(a) the U.S. is the dominant power; or

(b) the U.S. is not the dominant power

of the 21st century thus far.

If (a) is true, then none of the tripe you post matters one bit, because we already are the dominant power.  If (b) is true, then you need to name some of the other &quot;powers&quot; that are more powerful than the U.S. or at the very least, equally powerful.

And what any of this has to do with Obama and Clinton and the upcoming civil war in the Democratic party is beyond my ken... but then, I guess I&#039;m dealing with a seriously advanced case of BDS....

-TS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do all leftists think throwing in words &#8220;Bush&#8221; &#8220;Cheney&#8221; and &#8220;Hitler&#8221; somehow constitute an argument of some sort?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s use simple words and concepts.  Either</p>
<p>(a) the U.S. is the dominant power; or</p>
<p>(b) the U.S. is not the dominant power</p>
<p>of the 21st century thus far.</p>
<p>If (a) is true, then none of the tripe you post matters one bit, because we already are the dominant power.  If (b) is true, then you need to name some of the other &#8220;powers&#8221; that are more powerful than the U.S. or at the very least, equally powerful.</p>
<p>And what any of this has to do with Obama and Clinton and the upcoming civil war in the Democratic party is beyond my ken&#8230; but then, I guess I&#8217;m dealing with a seriously advanced case of BDS&#8230;.</p>
<p>-TS</p>
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		<title>By: gasdocpol</title>
		<link>http://thesophist.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/three-not-two-possible-outcomes-for-democrats/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>gasdocpol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sophist 

The Bush/Cheney invasion of an oil rich Arab country on the pretext thay it had something to do with 9/11 did not help the USA on the path to becoming the the undisputed power of the 21st century..

Hitler had a plan for Germany to become the undisputed power too.
Hitler&#039;s 1939 invasion of Poland was eerily similar to the Busg/Cheney invasion of Iraq in 2003.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sophist </p>
<p>The Bush/Cheney invasion of an oil rich Arab country on the pretext thay it had something to do with 9/11 did not help the USA on the path to becoming the the undisputed power of the 21st century..</p>
<p>Hitler had a plan for Germany to become the undisputed power too.<br />
Hitler&#8217;s 1939 invasion of Poland was eerily similar to the Busg/Cheney invasion of Iraq in 2003.</p>
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		<title>By: TheSophist</title>
		<link>http://thesophist.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/three-not-two-possible-outcomes-for-democrats/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>TheSophist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, we&#039;re not the undisputed dominant power of the 21st century?

-TS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, we&#8217;re not the undisputed dominant power of the 21st century?</p>
<p>-TS</p>
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		<title>By: gasdocpol</title>
		<link>http://thesophist.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/three-not-two-possible-outcomes-for-democrats/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>gasdocpol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2000 there were those who thought that if GW Bush could be elected, the Neocons would be able to carry out the agenda of PNAC and the USA would become the undiputed dominant power in the 21st century.

It has not quite worked out that way.

I don&#039;t suppose anyone is interested in knowing which persons thought that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2000 there were those who thought that if GW Bush could be elected, the Neocons would be able to carry out the agenda of PNAC and the USA would become the undiputed dominant power in the 21st century.</p>
<p>It has not quite worked out that way.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t suppose anyone is interested in knowing which persons thought that.</p>
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