I do think bakers/accountants can and will take up arms. The game will change when the wars are at their door step and it comes knocking on their house. We have been living in oblivion to think the world would change. While we have new things the hearts of man are still the same, no with bigger and better toys.

America needs to prepare now! Bring all our foreign policy dollars home; we are being attacked on two fronts already. It’s time we prepare, the correct way!

Jerry R. Reynolds
Alimoe The General

If Europe descends into fascism in the 21st century, I do believe the U.S. will have to go into Fortress America mode. Most of the nations affected are either acknowledged or unacknowledged nuclear powers. If the French decide to elect a modern-day Hitler and carry out a genocidal ethnic cleansing, we are not going to be able to intervene — they’ve got nukes.

Even if civil war breaks out between a large Muslim population and the native Europeans, assuming that the Euros have gone down the fascist route instead of the dhimmi route, I’m hard-pressed to think what Americans could do.

It’s a truly frightening thought. The other thing to consider is that while we may have the buffer of the oceans in the event that Europe descends into chaos, Russia does not. With the Chechen problem still raging there, would the Russians really sit still and let Europe tear itself apart in a civil war?

-TS

http://playingagainstthespin.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/special-treatment-for-muslims/

I’d like to believe your picture of what is likely to occur, but there is one thing that makes it difficult. The Balkans of the 1990’s.

People tend not to figure out a middle-way when economic and political competition starts to happen along ethnic lines. They tend to get genocidal.

In other words, suppose Muslims get to a 2:1 ratio that Paul Weston thinks could happen by 2025. They start being assertive, as you’ve put it. Perhaps they moderate the most jihadist elements within their ranks, so conflict is more or less “peaceful” and involves bloc voting or some such in order to take power away from the indigenous white Europeans. They try to get shari’a law instituted everywhere, etc. But also, and more importantly, because they are a distinct minority who have not embraced the French way (or the German, or Dutch, or XYZ way), economic competition (jobs, stores, etc.) and political competition is along ethnic lines.

I just can’t see how the non-elites of Europe (not as boneless as you’ve put it) would cope with this with anything other than genocidal rage. The problem is that the Continent has been so anti-military, so coddled by American force umbrella during the Cold War, and so infantilized by the socialist welfare state that surrounds them that I just can’t see them forming up militias to hunt down Muslims.

Maybe that is exactly what’s going to happen. But given demographic trends and relative strength of the respective ideologies (militant secularism vs. militant Islam), my money is on the Islamists. Ten Jihadis willing to die for Allah vs. one hundred liberals who think global warming is the biggest problem the world faces is not a contest… for the liberals.

-TS